0bamanation said on: November 25, 2009, 4:56 pm Thanks archiejones. Indeed, the article says 0bama INVITED them.
***You need to stop getting all of your info from the extreme rightwing blogosphere.*** Again, a puzzling remark from someone that considers Daily Kos, DU and Huff Po to be credible newsites.
Obamanation, I have never said that Daily Kos, DU (whatever that is, and if it is Ducks Unlimited, I did not know they had a newsite), and Huff Po are credible newsites. This is just another example of you spreading lies that you can not back up, just as fox news, and I challenge you to prove me wrong. But better yet why don't you just admit you make a lot of things up!
0bamanation said on: November 25, 2009, 10:49 am The Messiah has not met with Republicans to discuss health care since April. SINCE APRIL.
You should be sorry obamanation, re-read your exact quote above and do like a typical pub and try to lie your way out of it. The fact is he met with republicans (that is with an S)in august of this year. That just proves that you and your blogger buddy are spreading lies just like fox news does!
I know I'm getting into sematics now, archiejones, but: I'm not sure that 0bama meeting with THREE Republican Senators (of 49) and the same time he's meeting with three Democrat Senators, known collectively as "the Gang of Six," could be described as "0bama meeting with the Republicans." Therefore, since April is as valid as it was this afternoon. Sorry.
Thanks archiejones. Indeed, the article says 0bama INVITED them.
***You need to stop getting all of your info from the extreme rightwing blogosphere.*** Again, a puzzling remark from someone that considers Daily Kos, DU and Huff Po to be credible newsites.
0bamanation 0bamanation said on: November 25, 2009, 2:29 pm Oh and by the way, Republican Sen. Mike Enzi, Wyoming, Sen. Chuck Grassley, Iowa and Sen. Olympia Snowe, Maine meet with President Obama in August to discuss their bipartisan health-care bill.
One would think that a Google search of that meeting would turn up something other than some of the listed Senators writing letters to 0bama; asking to be included in meetings; offering suggestions, etc., but no such luck.
Sorry to find out that you do not know how to do a proper search on your computer Obamanation. There is another poster on this site by the name of jammer(I wonder if that isn't you also) that also has not figured out how to do searches. You need to stop getting all of your info from the extreme rightwing blogosphere.
A clearer picture of people with whom 0bama and adminstration officials have been meeting with can be found in an AP article, under today's date, titled: "A stream of WH health care visits" by Sharon Theimer.
Oh and by the way, Republican Sen. Mike Enzi, Wyoming, Sen. Chuck Grassley, Iowa and Sen. Olympia Snowe, Maine meet with President Obama in August to discuss their bipartisan health-care bill.
One would think that a Google search of that meeting would turn up something other than some of the listed Senators writing letters to 0bama; asking to be included in meetings; offering suggestions, etc., but no such luck.
As the Socialist candidate for President of the U. S., Norman Thomas said, in a 1944 epoch speech: “The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of “liberalism”, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened..”
He went on to say: “I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform.”
With all due respect, Obamanation - you are listening to Republican talking points. They are counting on folks like you to fly off the handle and take misinformation and distortions as fact. I would highly HIGHLY urge you to do some research that is done by NON-partisan investigators of this health bill. I think you will be surprised as to how folks like Thune (and his peers) count on folks getting all worked up over non-facts. The Republicans have NOT been shut out of negotiations. They are refusing to negotiate and won't even come to the table!!!! Obstructionists!
I'm very disappointed in Mr Thune. He is not looking out for the best interests of those that voted him into his current office. Mr Thune has become the type of politician that can convince folks to vote against their best interests. Helps promote an "us versus them" attitude, so that nothing gets accomplished.
And I agree with the other posts.....ok Mr Thune, you think that this is a train wreck waiting to happen. What is YOUR idea and YOUR solution? ----- all you hear is the sound of crickets. Thune's and his peers silence and lack of ideas on this matter should be evidence enough that they aren't doing the job that they were hired for. Pitiful
Right you are, he is a Democrat. While the underlying matter is one that's been pushed primarily by Republicans and could be considered a Republican issue, that was a poor example since the issue was Republican sponsored bills and amendments. My mistake.
0bamanation said on: November 25, 2009, 11:26 am Why thank you for asking archiejones. That can be found in "Would Obama Be President If He Made These Five Campaign Promises?" by John Hawkins, Town Hall.
It is nice to see you finally admit your ignorance. Getting your "facts" from John Hawkins who is the blogosphere's premier blogger is not what most people would call a reliable source. Looks to me like his greatest claim to fame was actually ranking “The Ten Greatest Star Trek Characters of all Time.” Oh and by the way, Republican Sen. Mike Enzi, Wyoming, Sen. Chuck Grassley, Iowa and Sen. Olympia Snowe, Maine meet with President Obama in August to discuss their bipartisan health-care bill. So much for your "facts" and where you get them!
Why thank you for asking archiejones. That can be found in "Would Obama Be President If He Made These Five Campaign Promises?" by John Hawkins, Town Hall.
0bamanation said on: November 25, 2009, 10:49 am The Messiah has not met with Republicans to discuss health care since April. SINCE APRIL.
And just where did you get that "fact"? Let me quess, either you sit in on all the republican meetings or that is what the straight talking Thune told you.
0bamanation writes "The socialists in control of both houses will not let ANY Republican bill or even an amendment come to the floor."
That's untrue. The Stupak Amendment not only got to the floor, but it passed. That's one example, but it's enough to dispel the notion that you're promoting.
0bamanation writes "The socialists in control of both houses will not let ANY Republican bill or even an amendment come to the floor."
That's untrue. The Stupak Amendment not only got to the floor, but it passed. That's one example, but it's enough to dispel the notion that you're promoting.
Concerned Citizen writes "The problem with this bill is the length. 2074 pages?"
It's a huge problem being addressed; the legislation will be huge as well. They could always try splitting it into multiple pieces, but it would still add up to many, many pages. The alternative is to pass something like TARP, which obviously wasn't long enough because now Thune and many others in Congress are complaining that Geithner didn't use the money the way they think he should have used it. These are the same congressmen who voted for TARP; now they're acting like it's not their fault that the bill wasn't made correctly. You can't have it both ways.
Quite simply, South Dakota’s families are being priced out of health coverage thanks to the likes of Thune. In addition to higher premiums, working families now face higher out-of-pocket health care costs, such as higher deductibles, copayments, and costs for services that are not covered by their insurance plans, as evidenced by BH Harley and many other business. As a result, health care costs are consuming an ever-larger portion of family budgets. It is clear why many South Dakota families feel worse off economically than they did a decade ago. Over the past decade (2000 through 2008), family health insurance premiums for South Dakota’s workers rose 3.6 times more quickly than median earnings. On average, health care premiums for families rose by 79.0 percent, while median earnings rose by only 22.1 percent. If nothing is done to reverse this trend, health insurance will become increasingly unaffordable for families in South Dakota and across the nation. Between 2000 and 2008, the share of U.S. firms that offered health coverage declined by 6 percentage points (from 69 percent of firms to 63 percent), with small businesses being the most likely to drop coverage.
In 1961 Ronald Reagan said, "If you don't stop Medicare and I don't do it, one of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like when Americans were free." According to Reagan and the Republican Party Medicare would lead the Federal government to dictate where Doctors could set up a practice and eventualy they would tell us how we could make a living and where we could live. Socialism! Now 48 years later the same false arguments are being used but now there is a new battle cry. "Don't cut Medicare!" this is from the Party that has tried to cut or eliminate Medicare for 48 years (including John McCain and Sarah Palin). Only in America can the sheep be so willing to believe bold faced lies. I suggest funding health care with a 10% cut in our $700 billion dollar "defense" budget. Sorry I forgot you can't say that in South Dakota. We wouldn't want to turn off our pork. Thune is wrong and Reagan was wrong.
Concerned Citizen said on: November 25, 2009, 9:07 am The problem with this bill is the length. 2074 pages? Wow. I doubt very much that any of our Senators took the time to read the entire bill.
The bill is written with large font, double spaced, and extra wide margins. If the bill is put in regular format, normal font, single spaced and normal margins, it is only 209 pages, shouldn't be to tough for anyone to read!
The republicans are on record as having said "they want this to be Obama's Waterloo, they eant to stop him in his tracks." That's very cute, but what about the people? The republicans only agenda is to stop Obama, they don't care about the people or health care. When Thune attended the town hall rallies in Rapid, he had no alternative to Obama's plan. When questioned about his plan he hee hawed every way, but never gave an answer. Has anyone seen a republican alternative to this bill, no! Get an alternative and compromise, work for the good of the country, not your party!
Makes you wonder why Mr. Thune always votes to continue funding war when he thinks we can't afford to care for our own sick. With what the war costs we could give free health care to everyone, pay off mortgages on homes for people who have lost their jobs, give free college to all our young people and still have lots of money left over. Sure tells you he does not care about helping anyone in SD. Like one of the other comments said I have not seen one thing he has done to help anyone here. Please someone, run against him so we have a choice. We have troops stationed in every single country we ever sent them to. Why? How many billions does that cost? Why are they still there? How about all the money given to big banks? We could have paid off mortgages of everyone who lost their jobs and the banks would have had money again and people would still have their homes. Instead we give money directly to the banks and people are homeless. Good job, Thune.
It's disturbing that the GOP embraces a political strategy that focuses on placing unsubstantiated fears into our elderly just because they are the prominent voting block in South Dakota. Scare tactics encouraging them to chop up their AARP memberships and scaring them with fears of losing Medicare and Medicaid funding is an abusive way to market “solutions” to the Health Care Reform debate?
The problem with health care is the cost: their to dam greedy. lower the cost and make it more accessable. Case in point: This summer I was gettting dizzy at work, I went to Rapid Reaginal and was there for about 45-min. they checked my vitals gave me a perscription for a inner ear issue, Cost me 36.00. I paid out of pocket, a couple weeks later I get a bill for 1,300.00 bucks. thats where yhe problem is. Its called pure greed.
Johnny's 'puny options' are consistent with his do nothing attitude. Let the Dems do something rather than nothing. Heck, it might even work-woo-hoo! What's he really worried about? Even as a Republican, I would sincerely hope that he will be challenged by either another Republican or Democrat in his next reelection campaign. I can't really recall any significant or useful legislation that he's been involved in. Time for both he and Johnson to go. Being stuck with Mundt and Pressler clones is not good.
The problem with this bill is the length. 2074 pages? Wow. I doubt very much that any of our Senators took the time to read the entire bill. More than likely one of their office assistants read it and gave a summary on what the contents were. I also doubt that more than a few people (if even that) know what this bill says in its entirety. That, my friends, is very scary.
Senator Thune, what do you think of health care reform? "Very bad, costs too much money, socialism". Senator Thune, do you have a better idea on how to fix healthcare?: "No, not really".
With all due respect, Mr. Thune. In doing the research that I have been doing, the information that you are releasing is inaccurate. (And by the way, I am a Republican) While the bill being proposed will leave "some" Americans uncovered, it will cover 96% of Americans, which is a heck of a lot more than are covered currently. Also, according to the CBO, in the long run, this will actually save money. Tax increases? Nope, not for most Americans. ESPECIALLY South Dakotans. As far as small businesses are concerned, if this bill is passed, the owner of the B.H. Harley Davidson (and others) will actually pay LESS per employee. I could go on... but I am disappointed as to why you want to misinform and distort the facts to the South Dakotans that YOU represent. Why is that?
Both sides of the aisle agree that health care in this country is broken and needs fixing. Why are you and your peers NOT willing to get in there and help to come up with solutions? Why is your only goal as Republicans to be an obstructionist? Why do y'all want to be part of the problem rather than part of the solution?
since I moved to S. Dakota 4 years ago, I am paying %0 MORE for my premiums than I did in Colorado. Ridiculous!
Mr Thune, WE elected you to represent "us" in getting things better for South Dakotans. PLEASE start doing the job you were hired for - start being a problem solver rather than spewing out misinformation
Notice how its the same song and dance for all Senator Thune and his band of Merry Men, nothing is getting done as they always are against every idea, funny they lost the election the majority now wants their turn to try to do good for the country in a war and a huge deficit that his President Bush and his bunch of Merry Men got us into , and they think they know what to do??? oh by the way they can have good old Joe L also.
I agree with Thune: This health care bill is a joke. Somthing this big and this importent needs more time to work the bugs out and implement. If its passed, by the time its implemented it will be a totally different bill,then what was passed. and what about welfare? will they get cut off and have to start paying (like the rest of us?) and what about Indian health,we are coverd by Treaty rights. They cant make me "an Enrolled tribal member" pay. The way I see it, people will end up paying more for less. Things like this are spiting our country in half. are we ready for whats down the road?
Thanks archiejones. Indeed, the article says 0bama INVITED them.
***You need to stop getting all of your info from the extreme rightwing blogosphere.*** Again, a puzzling remark from someone that considers Daily Kos, DU and Huff Po to be credible newsites.
Obamanation, I have never said that Daily Kos, DU (whatever that is, and if it is Ducks Unlimited, I did not know they had a newsite), and Huff Po are credible newsites. This is just another example of you spreading lies that you can not back up, just as fox news, and I challenge you to prove me wrong. But better yet why don't you just admit you make a lot of things up!
The Messiah has not met with Republicans to discuss health care since April. SINCE APRIL.
You should be sorry obamanation, re-read your exact quote above and do like a typical pub and try to lie your way out of it. The fact is he met with republicans (that is with an S)in august of this year. That just proves that you and your blogger buddy are spreading lies just like fox news does!
***You need to stop getting all of your info from the extreme rightwing blogosphere.*** Again, a puzzling remark from someone that considers Daily Kos, DU and Huff Po to be credible newsites.
0bamanation said on: November 25, 2009, 2:29 pm
Oh and by the way, Republican Sen. Mike Enzi, Wyoming, Sen. Chuck Grassley, Iowa and Sen. Olympia Snowe, Maine meet with President Obama in August to discuss their bipartisan health-care bill.
One would think that a Google search of that meeting would turn up something other than some of the listed Senators writing letters to 0bama; asking to be included in meetings; offering suggestions, etc., but no such luck.
Sorry to find out that you do not know how to do a proper search on your computer Obamanation. There is another poster on this site by the name of jammer(I wonder if that isn't you also) that also has not figured out how to do searches. You need to stop getting all of your info from the extreme rightwing blogosphere.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/08/05/obama_invites_gang_of_six_to_t.html
One would think that a Google search of that meeting would turn up something other than some of the listed Senators writing letters to 0bama; asking to be included in meetings; offering suggestions, etc., but no such luck.
He went on to say: “I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform.”
I'm very disappointed in Mr Thune. He is not looking out for the best interests of those that voted him into his current office. Mr Thune has become the type of politician that can convince folks to vote against their best interests. Helps promote an "us versus them" attitude, so that nothing gets accomplished.
And I agree with the other posts.....ok Mr Thune, you think that this is a train wreck waiting to happen. What is YOUR idea and YOUR solution? ----- all you hear is the sound of crickets. Thune's and his peers silence and lack of ideas on this matter should be evidence enough that they aren't doing the job that they were hired for. Pitiful
Right you are, he is a Democrat. While the underlying matter is one that's been pushed primarily by Republicans and could be considered a Republican issue, that was a poor example since the issue was Republican sponsored bills and amendments. My mistake.
Why thank you for asking archiejones. That can be found in "Would Obama Be President If He Made These Five Campaign Promises?" by John Hawkins, Town Hall.
It is nice to see you finally admit your ignorance. Getting your "facts" from John Hawkins who is the blogosphere's premier blogger is not what most people would call a reliable source. Looks to me like his greatest claim to fame was actually ranking “The Ten Greatest Star Trek Characters of all Time.” Oh and by the way, Republican Sen. Mike Enzi, Wyoming, Sen. Chuck Grassley, Iowa and Sen. Olympia Snowe, Maine meet with President Obama in August to discuss their bipartisan health-care bill. So much for your "facts" and where you get them!
The Messiah has not met with Republicans to discuss health care since April. SINCE APRIL.
And just where did you get that "fact"? Let me quess, either you sit in on all the republican meetings or that is what the straight talking Thune told you.
That's untrue. The Stupak Amendment not only got to the floor, but it passed. That's one example, but it's enough to dispel the notion that you're promoting.
Stupak is a DEMOCRAT.
That's untrue. The Stupak Amendment not only got to the floor, but it passed. That's one example, but it's enough to dispel the notion that you're promoting.
Concerned Citizen writes "The problem with this bill is the length. 2074 pages?"
It's a huge problem being addressed; the legislation will be huge as well. They could always try splitting it into multiple pieces, but it would still add up to many, many pages. The alternative is to pass something like TARP, which obviously wasn't long enough because now Thune and many others in Congress are complaining that Geithner didn't use the money the way they think he should have used it. These are the same congressmen who voted for TARP; now they're acting like it's not their fault that the bill wasn't made correctly. You can't have it both ways.
their insurance plans, as evidenced by BH Harley and many other business. As a result, health care costs are consuming an ever-larger portion of family budgets. It is clear why many South Dakota families feel worse off economically than
they did a decade ago. Over the past decade (2000 through 2008), family health insurance premiums for South Dakota’s workers rose 3.6 times more quickly than median earnings. On average, health care premiums for families rose by 79.0 percent, while median earnings rose by only 22.1 percent. If nothing is done to reverse this trend, health insurance will become increasingly unaffordable for families in South Dakota and across the nation. Between 2000 and 2008, the share of U.S. firms that offered health coverage declined by 6 percentage points (from 69 percent of firms to 63 percent), with small businesses being the most likely to drop coverage.
The problem with this bill is the length. 2074 pages? Wow. I doubt very much that any of our Senators took the time to read the entire bill.
The bill is written with large font, double spaced, and extra wide margins. If the bill is put in regular format, normal font, single spaced and normal margins, it is only 209 pages, shouldn't be to tough for anyone to read!
Like one of the other comments said I have not seen one thing he has done to help anyone here.
Please someone, run against him so we have a choice.
We have troops stationed in every single country we ever sent them to. Why? How many billions does that cost? Why are they still there?
How about all the money given to big banks? We could have paid off mortgages of everyone who lost their jobs and the banks would have had money again and people would still have their homes. Instead we give money directly to the banks and people are homeless.
Good job, Thune.
The socialists in control of both houses will not let ANY Republican bill or even an amendment come to the floor.
1.) Pigs fly
2.) the Rapid City Jounral mentions Johnson before Thune in an article about both of their stands on an issue
Senator Thune, do you have a better idea on how to fix healthcare?: "No, not really".
Both sides of the aisle agree that health care in this country is broken and needs fixing. Why are you and your peers NOT willing to get in there and help to come up with solutions? Why is your only goal as Republicans to be an obstructionist? Why do y'all want to be part of the problem rather than part of the solution?
since I moved to S. Dakota 4 years ago, I am paying %0 MORE for my premiums than I did in Colorado. Ridiculous!
Mr Thune, WE elected you to represent "us" in getting things better for South Dakotans. PLEASE start doing the job you were hired for - start being a problem solver rather than spewing out misinformation